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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 2:08:23 GMT -8
you say motors.. how many are there and what is the replacement cost if you can get'em ? I referred to Motor(s) because both you and Fatpoppy had posed a similar question. If the motor is not spinning at the correct rpm due to the motor failing, it will drag the bit across your workpiece, ruining the carve, ruining your bit (it will be bent ever so slightly, but enough to cause it to be out of round) and quite possibly causing damage to the "X" axis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 2:21:19 GMT -8
Replacement motors can be bought from Iconic CNC, if they still have any stock left. I do not know if they have any intentions to keep carrying stock or replenishing stock after they run out.
The CD with the 500 greyscale images came with some later machines and was available from Oliver Machinery. There are some useful patterns on it, but for the large part most depict life in the Orient, and lots of Oriental designs. I do not know of any such link to get the 500 images CD. I have the CD, but I would have to check to see if I can copy it and would have to get some blanks CD's.
There was a site called nipic, but I would not advise you go there, many people have reported being infected with a virus on their PC after downloading stuff from there, so Beware
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 11:05:48 GMT -8
to answer the question of how many motors are on a 1013, the answer is three. One for each of the axis's.
The most common one to fail is the X axis spindle motor, it's really not as heavy duty as it should be to handle the side loading that occurs when the bit is carving back and forth.
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Post by FatPoppy on Apr 6, 2017 13:33:31 GMT -8
Replacement motors can be bought from Iconic CNC, if they still have any stock left. I do not know if they have any intentions to keep carrying stock or replenishing stock after they run out. The CD with the 500 greyscale images came with some later machines and was available from Oliver Machinery. There are some useful patterns on it, but for the large part most depict life in the Orient, and lots of Oriental designs. I do not know of any such link to get the 500 images CD. I have the CD, but I would have to check to see if I can copy it and would have to get some blanks CD's. There was a site called nipic, but I would not advise you go there, many people have reported being infected with a virus on their PC after downloading stuff from there, so Beware I emailed ICONIC CNC today and they said: "Yes, ICONIC fully intends on supporting the General machines as long as customers are still using them. We do have inventory of the Spindle Motors. "
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Post by jgstang on Apr 6, 2017 14:13:30 GMT -8
boy, i really like this site! everyone is so nice and helpful.. thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 15:08:04 GMT -8
I had emailed Iconic CNC as well this morning and the response was that they would have the motors available as long we have machines that run, so those guys are AAA+++ in my book.
For the greyscale images there are just too many files to load on my PC, they are rather large files since they have high resolution. My PC only has 1 CD/ DVD drive so I would have to load onto my PC then burn a disc, which is way too much data to load.
I tried loading a few to a flash drive and it was taking forever to load the images to the flash drive so that's out of the question too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 16:50:15 GMT -8
I believe I have the majority of the images on my hard drive, a few I deleted if I knew I never would use them. I have put them all onto a DVD-R as photos a few minutes ago, and can mail it to you if you want to email me an address. Note that they are organized into files that suit me....plants, frames, people, etc.....
Also I have included whatever else I've accumulated over the past three years and used myself, these were already in the different files and it was easier to put them all on rather than pick n choose which ones were on the disc. Any file that starts with a CT----- would be one that was on the original disk from oliver.
You may want to play with any that aren't original, my photo editing skills don't match Bob's but suit me.
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Post by jgstang on Apr 6, 2017 20:06:30 GMT -8
Hi Rick.. that would be great! email me stang@coolmustangs.com and i'll give you the address and also i would pay for the disc/shipping.. thanks, Jim
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Post by jgstang on Apr 6, 2017 20:32:29 GMT -8
another question, i have had a huge cnc router machine in the garage just sitting covered up...its the router master 52, 4ft X 8ft and it works great but i don't know how to use it but! after all this great info from you guys and great minds here i was thinking on maybe buying mach3 for it and try it!!! it's the spacesaver one that sits standing up! apparnetly it was 60,000 new in 2002, is there any software programs that are somewhat user friendly ? like this 1013 i picture thing ?? just thinking! thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:24:50 GMT -8
The I-Picture program developed for the I-Carvers was specifically designed to make it possible to do the carvings we can do on this machine without having to purchase and learn a CAD/ CAM design program. It was designed to make it easy to get into using these machines without a lot of expensive software and the steep learning curve of CAD / CAM design. For your other machine you will need some type of CAD / CAM program and the knowledge to use it to run the machine. Those programs are needed to convert the design into Gcode to tell the machine what to do. From my reading, Mach3 and Arduino are some options for programming the machine motors to run. I did look up that machine and it seems that when it was marketed CNC was quite new to most people and the technology has improved by leaps and bounds over the time since, so getting the machine to run on modern software may be an issue. An example would be that Mach3 has morphed into Mach4 now days, although Mach3 is still available. For your machine you still need a stand alone PC to run it as well, the Mach3 / 4 or Arduino boards are controllers for the movements of the motors. I seen your old thread on the cnc zone about that machine from 2015 and it did not look like you got any solutions to make it run correctly?
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Post by jgstang on Apr 7, 2017 13:48:31 GMT -8
well there was a guy i was talking to Ken and he had gotton the same machine, but he had totally updated his computer and all cnc motors etc... never heard how it turned out but, mine i just never got wired up to 220 to run it right, i tested all the xyz and worked fine! the guy's dad i got it from said said his son updated the software and spent about 2,000 but i'm not sure... but also said the machine was working great before being stored. but back then i was frankly kinda scared of it because of all the #s of the xyz it showed! but now i'm interested after this 1013 and know just do it!! if i mess something up then i will just cross that bridge when it happends.. i want a program that will take like a ( 65 MUSTANG ) ON A SCREEN SHOT AND DO IT, i know i will need to learn things etc but thats fine! don't mind spending a few bucks for software.. it has the complete computer/monitor etc.. and it all works
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Post by jgstang on Apr 7, 2017 13:52:23 GMT -8
you know i just got confused on this 1013 because i was do a carvig and the bit was barley carving.. i had for example 11.0 6.0 0.25 and got smart and read your post again, did 11.0 6.0 0.118 and its working fine! for some reason it would barley cut 0.25 i thought that was 1/4"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 14:06:20 GMT -8
If you don't use blur and a white edging around your picture, what you end up with the first carve is a bit that is immediately plunging down to 1/4" and then trying to carve at that depth all the way across 11" of X axis. That is a lot of sideloading on the bit which will struggle to cut through. The spindle motor really wasn't designed to handle that load, especially if you are using a hard wood. After the first pass or two along the X axis it should ease up and return to norm. What the white border does is show the machine what the starting height on Z is, and the blur allows each pass to take a deeper cut on each pass until it gets down to 1/4" for the rest of the carving. It will then curve up to the white border on each end of each X pass. A 1/4" Z dimension on your carving, with a gausian blur of about 5.0, will only take 5-6 passes to reach final depth....about 0.039" along the Y axis. I'll try to show you what one of mine looks like, the white border can be quite small. Couple other suggestions, you should always be cutting across the grain. Cutting with the grain with sometimes give you splinters along the grain rather than chipping off the wood like it's supposed to. For most wood, this means you need to rotate your picture 90 degrees before running ipicture. In your example, that would give you 6.0 11.0 0.25 It may be a little tough to see the white border, but you can see around the edge of the black how the blur works.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 14:12:31 GMT -8
That, by the way, is a nameplate that I carved for my granddaughters onto 1/4 Oak, I cut it 0.26 inches deep, which of course is deeper than the wood is thick. The oak was put on top of a sacrificial board with double edge tape, and everything but the oval was cut away (almost, little sanding). I put their names on this picture prior to carving, final result:
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Post by jgstang on Apr 7, 2017 21:11:35 GMT -8
yes great idea and i'm going to try gimp for that blur thing to make it easyer on the machine, and speaking about this machine.. anyone have the part# for the x motor ? was carving tonight and the motor didn't sound to good! carving on normal and it seemed to have a pretty good raddle/light jerking so i put my hand on the router side and i could feel something there to go along with the noise. any tips on how to change it ? i'm having a tuff time downloading gimp to windows 10 ? do i need to make a new file and paste it like i picture ? thanks
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