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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 17:11:32 GMT -8
Bob, have you done the update on your 1013 ? and if so did you use the paper clip way ? did you use the link from iconic or general cnc. thanks
I assume your are referring to a firmware update, if so you must use CAUTION in doing so because to the best of my knowledge there are 2 firmware versions out there and they are dependent upon when your machine was made. If you use the wrong firmware update you will totally crash the machine. The motherboards are different depending on when exactly your machine was manufactured and use different versions of firmware. |
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Post by jgstang on Jul 5, 2017 18:48:57 GMT -8
yes the HMI and Firmware. iconic sent me a link to use and said not to use from the G CNC site..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 3:22:21 GMT -8
Why is it you want to do a firmware update?
Does Iconic have some kind of new and improved version that was recently made?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 3:39:02 GMT -8
I'm interested also, I had to do the firmware update when I replaced the motherboard. My machine was made in December 2013, which is right when they changed to the newest version. So I had to upgrade the firmware (or downgrade it, can't remember which) so the new motherboard would work with the rest of the machine. I used the paper clip method, but since I'm always concerned about my fat fingers screwing something up I wrapped the "handle" part of it in electricians tape. Worked fine.
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Post by FatPoppy on Jul 6, 2017 5:56:26 GMT -8
How do you know if you need the update?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 6:16:45 GMT -8
In my case, it was because I was replacing the motherboard and the date of my machine came in right when they were changing the version. The newer motherboards come in with the new versions, where my machine apparently was one of the last ones to come with the older version. I'm unaware of any new update that has come out that is necessary or enhances the machine, but I'll also state that I have not been keeping up with anything on the Iconic website that applies to this so I could be missing it myself.
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Post by jgstang on Jul 6, 2017 11:22:12 GMT -8
this is whats going on... I have been talking to Steve about the 2015 and the 1013 came up, so i told him that my machine on slow works pretty good but it take 100 years LOL! he said my best bet is work with med so i was telling him how it stops 2 times going both ways for a split second but does not seem to mess up the carve... so i thought the axis might be going out, but its really smooth when i'm setting it up for a carve. he said that was unlikely the axis is bad, and probably my board but lets try the update first! so he had me check witch version i had.. i have 2003 HMI FIRMWARE, i emailed them back and this time i'm talking to Jeremy.. told him about everything and he says i need the update. he was telling me they did the update to 2 machines and it fixed them so i'm going to do it! he's thinking that since i have the original versions that it has a bug in it!! and yes i'm doing the paperclip thing in the # slot, but he made sure to say that do not download the fix from G cnc site.. don't know why ? Bob cleared that up for me. here is what Jeremy said.. i didn't ask him if it was ok to share this but i figure if it helps all of us who need it he won't mind! so as far as i know this is an update for the 1013 from the original versions. Jim, Let’s try and upgrade the HMI to 2.005. The weblink below has the instructions for the update. Although it is the General CNC website, the 1013 IntelliCarve is basically identical to the iCarver. PLEASE NOTE: You will use the HMIFILE.HEX attached to this email, rather that the ones linked on the page. Your HMI update will also read 2.005 upon completion, rather than 1.006. In Step 4, you will see it refers to a "Jump Plug" which is used to connect two of the slots on the circuit board. This is a small plug that we can send you from the General factory in Montreal. Having said that, it has come to my attention recently that you can actually just use an open metal paperclip to connect the two slots. While I realize this isn't the most "professional" suggestion, it may save you a few days' wait for the jump plug. If you are comfortable doing so, I would recommend this. I have tried it on 2 machines recently, and both accepted the updated successfully. I would recommend using this method to save some time (the Jump Plug and paperclip are essentially the exact same thing, one just comes from us). If it doesn’t appear to work the first time, please ensure that the HMIFILE.HEX is the only file on your USB Stick, and that its name was not changed. Apply some pressure to the paperclip to ensure that it is making good contact with both slots. You will know that the update was successful, as the machine should reset itself, and you can confirm it by going to the Version menu again. -- Jeremy Stevenson No problem, Jim. I’m here to walk you through it. If you’d like, we can start from square one. First thing: Ensure that your USB Stick is completely blank. Save the HMIFILE.HEX attached to this email onto your USB Stick. Then, follow the instructions on this website (with the exception of downloading the files from there, since you already have the right file). It should update to HMI 2.005. generalcnc.ca/repair_update-- |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 3:01:07 GMT -8
I have not checked my machine for the firmware version currently in use but in 2011 when I purchased the machine it would not work at all. Oliver machinery sent me an firmware update file and once I did the update it began to function. I am reasonably sure the version that was on the machine was the 1.004 and it was upgraded to the 1.006 version. That being said, I still believe that for older machines such as mine that no firmware update is needed, and would likely cause more problems than it would solve due to the different versions of the motherboards so if any ones machine is currently using firmware that begins with 1.----, then the 2.005 version likely will not work on those machines
That newer version will work I believe for those like Rick who have replaced the motherboard in the machine
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Post by jgstang on Jul 7, 2017 12:41:27 GMT -8
well were going to find out, i did the update but it will only take the HMI 2005 the firmware is still 2003 i have not used it since but will tomorrow..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 11:19:20 GMT -8
jgstang, just wondering if it fixed the problem?
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Post by jgstang on Jul 13, 2017 12:03:42 GMT -8
nope. but the machine still works so i guess i'll be happy with that! on another note, i'm thinking on getting the vcarve or artcam software for the big cnc, is that something thats easy to learn ? i don't know codes etc but for 600. i could have the 4X10 working... i love this ipicture software now, for me being new and a dummy about this cnc lingo its easy now thanks to you guys!! Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 17:30:10 GMT -8
Bob may be able to help you with the software, if it wasn't for ipicture I'd probably have a boat anchor for the machine. I believe there is a sizeable learning curve on vcarve or artcam, and I'm just not willing to invest the time. I may look at Iconics newest rendition of the Intellicarve when mine finally gives up the ghost, but right now I've got so many projects going one that I don't have the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 17:18:49 GMT -8
I have not ventured into any of the programs such a Artcam or Vcarve at all. The main problem with using those is with the fact that the Y axis is gear driven and likely will not hold up to the rapid movements used by those programs. One could go into the code file that is generated and modify it to make it slow down on the Y axis movements. That was the big difference between the 1013 and the 1015 models, all axis were screw drives on the 1015 and they are on the new Iconic machines as well. The 1013 models are best suited for I-picture and the slow raster back and forth carving.
There is as Rick mentioned a steep learning curve to use Artcam or Vcarve and the only way I would dive into it is if I had a more capable machine.
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Post by ajtkrmc on Jul 23, 2017 13:05:42 GMT -8
When I first got my 1013 machine I experimented with manually written programs to see which G codes (axis moves) and spindle M codes, etc were recognized by the 1013 controller. Things like milling a circle, radius compensation for using a cutter of a certain radius while cutting left or right all worked. M codes for speed and cw/ccw also worked.
However two big things that do not work that limit the machine from a control standpoint are:
1. setting work coordinate shifts within the program ( so you could write a subroutine for doing something like a standard shape and then repeat it in an array - say a bunch of lightening holes in a wing rib or bolts holes arranged in a pattern)
2. feed rate commands (F command) - if you try to insert specific feed rate commands into your *.gee file they are ignored instead are defined by the global value you select on the HMI before starting the program i.e. LOW-NORMAL-HIGH. I have a feeling that the 1015 controller wouldn't recognize feed rate commands either - doesn't need to since the Y axis is as solid as X & Z and geared in same ratio as X and Z with similar pitch ballscrew - and as you mention can use optimized toolpaths that coordinate all 3 axes.
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Post by jgstang on Aug 3, 2017 14:09:53 GMT -8
does anyone have the iconic 2015 machine and do you like it ? thanks
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